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a little bit about the END TIMES again & The Rapture (catching away) From: maryann 13 Feb 2012 (18:27)
Listened to some real good teachings today and read all the scriptures as this is a very exciting subject and very imminent! Want to share a bit of this with those who read this.....END TIMES...Math.24..........WE are now still in the TIME OF GRACE , i.e. \"the church age/body of Christ\" .

In Math.24:10...\"And THEN, many will be offended, will betray one another and will hate one another...11) THEN , many false prophets will arise and deceive many, 12)And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. 13)BUT HE WHO ENDURES TO THE END , shall be saved. 14) And THIS GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM WILL BE PREACHED IN ALL THE WORLD AS A WITNESS TO ALL THE NATIONS, AND THEN THE END WILL COME\"

THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM WILL BE PREACHED....i.e. after THE TIME OF GRACE, when the catching away has taken place (rapture-pretrib) THEN the JEWS will preach the Gospel of the Kingdom to the people on earth...as a witness to all. In Mathew 9:35 - Jesus went around and preached THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM....i.e. before HE died for our sins on Calvary, before the time of GRACE had begun....AND THIS KINGDOM will once again be preached by the Jews in the tribulation years...Math 24:10...and he who endures to THE END, i.e. THOSE SURVIVING THE TRIBULATION, fysically (it has nothing to do with salvation)....

JACOB S TROUBLE: jACOB = iSRAEL = The tribulation years ! Why these tribulation years? = because of satans curse , and the morgage is going to be paid off - and then GOD delivers the planet (earth) from the curse caused by satan right from the beginning in the garden of Eden. Tribulation years is God s judgement on Israel!!!

Israel/The Jews: Why all the persecution and hatred towards the Jews through all ages? = because they are God s covenant people and satan knows that!. That is why he has done and is still doing everything to try and destroy them, but he can never be able to do it, he is on a \"leash\" and OUR GOD JEHOVAH JIRAH IS IN FULL CONTROLL - HALLELUJA! - everything is planned and decided by GOD before the beginning of time!!! Satan only has as much power as GOD allows him to have for a period of time. ...all because of one man s disobedience to God once upon a time....BUT GOD promised ABRAHAM a nation of people (Israel) AND HE WOULD BE KING OVER THEM!

Scripture quotes concerning this.....Isaiah 24:5-6 \"The earth is also defiled under its inhabitants because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant...6) the curse has devoured the earth and those who dwell in it are desolate and the inhabitants of the earth are burned and few are left (the great tribulation yrs.)

Daniel 9:15 - \"And now, O Lord , our God, who brought Your people out of the land of Egypt with a mighty hand and made yourself a name, as it is THIS DAY - we have sinned, we have done wickedly ! (the Jews will once again in the trib.yrs wake up and discover who their GOD is)

Math.24:21 \"FOR THEN there will be a GREAT TRIBULATION, such as not has been since the beginning of the world until THIS TIME, nor ever shall be.............. these verses show us the horrow that will be for those \"left behind\" after the rapture of the church - (the age of GRACE.)...EVEN more so should we be encouraged to preach the Good NEWS, that Jesus saves today and WILL WASH AWAY ALL OUR SINS BECAUSE OF HIS GREAT MERCY IF WE REPENT AND TURN TO HIM ! till be are caught up to be with HIM forever and ever!
So there is no doubt about it.....the pretrib will happen for the Body of Christ - time of Grace will be gone AND those left behind will have the most awful time ever experienced in history, but God will save His covenant people and they will preach the Gospel of The Kingdom to those left on earth for a time.........until God takes them up as well.........and then angels will proclaim the gospel of the kingdom to those left on earth, so everyone hears it.............. WE MUST ALL BE READY ALL THE TIME NOW CAUSE JESUS CHRIST IS GOING TO FET5CH HIS BRIDE UP IN THE CLOUDS VERY SOON, BE READY AT ALL TIMES!



the rapture again!  From: maryann 23 Aug 2012 (18:33)
Its normal to wait for something God has put in our hearts and actually it says in His Word that you get a crown for wanting Him to come again....those who are waiting for Him, and it is the imminent future...we cant get away from it.
The time of Jacobs trouble will come over the earth when the bride is taken away! I dont see how any Bible believing christian can deny the pretrib....Jesus said several times in the gospels that HE WOULD COME AS A THIEF IN THE NIGHT! HE TELLS US TO BE AWAKE AND READY ! KNOWING THE TIMES.... CAUSE WE WILL NOT KNOW THE TIME ,OR HOUR
SATAN HATES ALL TALK ABOUT THE PRETRIB, HE JUST DESPISES IT AND DOES EVERY THING IN HIS POWER TO TRICK PEOPLE INTO BELIEVING THAT IT IS FALSE.....WHY.....BECAUSE HE WANTS AS MANY AS POSSIBLE TO GO INTO THE TRIBULATION YEARS CAUSE THEN HE CAN HASSLE WITH THEM AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AND FORCE THEM TO TAKE THE MARK OF THE BEAST! HIS DAYS ARE COUNTED AND HIS POWER IS COMING TO AN END, THEREFORE HE IS USING ALL KINDS OF TRICKS NOW TO DECEIVE AS MANY AS POSSIBLE ABOUT THE PRETRIB TRUTH. REMEMBER SATAN KNOWS GODS WORD.... THINK OF IT...JESUS HIMSELF SAID HE WILL COME UNEXPECTADLY,DURING THE TRIBULATION YEARS NOTHING WILL BE UNEXPECTADLY! AS A THIEF IN THE NIGHT. LIKE THE TIMES OF NOAH IS WHEN JESUS WILL FETCH HIS BRIDE, THEY WERE EATING AND DRINKING, WEDDINGS, PARTIES, TRAVELLING, WORKING, ETC. ETC. EVERYTHING WILL BE NORMAL UP UNTIL JESUS FETCHES HIS BRIDE AWAY..............WHEN THE TRIBULATION STARTS NOTHING WILL BE NORMAL ANYMORE, ALL WILL BE ABNORMAL,YOU WONT EVEN BE ABLE TO BUY WINE AND FOOD AS NOW! RIGHT IN CONTRAST TO WHAT JESUS SAID WOULD BE UP UNTIL HE FETCHES HIS BRIDE...... AND THEN THE TRIBULATION YEARS, JSCOBS TROUBLE......ARE 7,5 YRS EVERYTHING AS WICKED AS HAS EVER BEEN, LAWLESSNESS WILL ABOUND TO ITS VERY HEIGHTS...THE EVIL ONE HAS FULL CONTROLL......IF ANYBODY CAN GET AWAY AT THAT TIME THEY COULD ACTUALLY LOCK THEMSELVES UP SOMEWHERE AND EXPECT EVERY DAY FOR 7 YRS TO BE TAKEN AWAY, ITS POSSIBLE WITH ONLY 7 YRS....BUT JESUS SAID HE WOULD COME AS A THIEF IN THE NIGHT , IN A TIME YOU DO NOT THINK AND WHEN THINGS ARE NORMAL AND NOT ABNORMAL...SO THAT CONCLUDES THAT MIDTRIB OR PROTRIB IS DEF. NOT RIGHT!
WE HAVE BEEN WARNED MANY TIMES THE LAST YRS.....THE TRIALS ARE GOING OVER THE WORLD NOW AND GOD IS TRYING TO WAKE UP HIS PEOPLE / REF. 9.11 / NEW YOTK . TWIN TOWERS THE START OF OUR TRIALS.....ALSO MENTIONED IN ISAIAH.......AND THEN THE JAPAN TSYNAMI, COUNTLESS EARTHQUAKES JUST ABT. EVERY WEEK, FLOODS ALL OVER, TERRORIST ATTACKS, MURDERS, WILDFIRES, EVIL AND WICKEDNESS AND LAWLESSNESS AT ITS VERY PEAK ...ITS SO BAD.....BUT ITS NOTHING COMPARED TO WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE YRS. OF TRIBULATION FOR THOSE LEFT BEHIND.
MANY CHRISTIANS ARE NOW BELIEVING IN REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY, THAT THE CHURCH HAS REPLACED ISRAEL, THEREFORE THEY THINK THEY HAVE TO ENTER THE TRIBULATION...THAT IS A LIE, WE HAVE NEVER REPLACED ISRAEL, THE CHURCH IS GODS CHOSEN, THE NATION ISRAEL, GOD S ELECT.......BUT ALL JEWS WHO ARE BORN AGAIN WILL ALSO GO UP IN THE PRETRIB......THE JEWS WHO WILL BE GODS WITNESSESS DURING THE LAST 3 YRS ARE THE 12 TRIBES OF ISRAEL.
SO LET US STICK TO WHAT JESUS SAID MANY TIMES, HE WILL COME AS A THIEF IN THE NIGHT AS IN THE DAYS OF NOAH WHEN THINGS ARE NORMAL ON EARTH ........ALL THE TRIB. YRS. WILL NOT BE NORMAL!
ALL I CAN SAY IS LET US GET READY TO MEET OUR SAVIOUR, WE ARE SAVED BY HIS BLOOD , BY HIS GRACE AND NOT BY OUR WORKS LEST ANYONE SHOULD BOUST! THANK YOU LORD JESUS AND I SAY , COME LORD JESUS COME SOON!

PS!  From: maryann 23 Aug 2012 (18:35)
DONT WAIT TO DIE, WAIT FOR HIS COMING!

PRAISE THE LORD OTHERS THAN SEE THE TRUTH  From: derek leslie 23 Aug 2012 (20:34)
Praise the Lord that someone as spoken out about the pre tribe rapture teaching. And having the guts to do so.
They are many others who don\'t accept this teaching. Because they tell me so. But perhaps are afraid of the repercussions by doing so.
I have just written in an reply to Maryann which is very relevant to this link. Explaining that there are no real bible verses that really teach this pre rapture teaching, its all pure speculation. Please read it for more info on this subject.
You can find it in the forum, listening to God section at the bottom of the header Israel-\'The Apple Of God\'s Eye\'
In the mean time have a look at this link http://reformedonline.com/view/reformedonline/rapture.htm
It explains about this Pre Trib Rapture and how it all started. And why its NOT scriptural. Its not as in full as I would like, there is much more that can be said. Which I will input later. I know Maryann will not read it, but others who want the truth can.
I am looking forward to feed back, when I put in a few smoking Guns about this.
There is a rapture, but there is only one return, one second coming,one rapture all are at the same event. NOT TWO returns. has the pre Rapture tribulation teachers would have us believe. make sure you know the difference to what the bible teachers and this fabrication of more than one return of the Lord.
But we are all entitled to different opinions we must respect this.
may the Lord show the truth.
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must speak out this is a bit to far   From: derek leslie 23 Aug 2012 (22:34)
Don\'t think that most Christians know the the pre trib rapture teaches more than one return of the Lord.
Perhaps like me just thought the rapture was a matter of pre, mid, or post. Like most it did not matter to me which was correct. But It came as a shock to me to discover this was their real teaching. That there is more than one return.then it opened my eyes, it did matter
Because Its not in the bible, its an invention based on speculation. They teach that there is a coming for the church, then the second
Coming of the Lord. But anyone can see this makes two returns. Because if he returns to rapture us first. Surely that is a return, therefore It Adds up to two. This is not what the bible says. They try to explain it by saying that his feet never touch the ground
For the rapture, Taken from the old Testament, therefore is not a return as such. This is a very poor explanation. Choose if the Lords feet don\'t touch the ground or not, its still a return from heaven, we can all see that surely.
And having read this latest input of explanation about the tribulation and that\'s its Satan\'s lie to prevent us from believing in the pre trib rapture (and all the rest of it.) I must speak out, I have never read such a distortion of things. Please remember we all have our opinions.
But when someone says this, we have no choice, Its a bit too far. Someone has to speak out. Choose who it upsets.
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Good Manners and Internet Protocol  From: pauline Tait 24 Aug 2012 (09:52)
I\'m sure people must not be aware that on the internet typing in Caps is considored shouting I\'m assuming that\'s not peoples intention here just letting you know for next time I would want people to mis communicate or minunderstand
blesings

Pauline