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\"Submitting to One Another in the Fear of God\" Eph 5:21 From: David Dawson 09 Sep 2011 (02:23)
Everyone wants to be in charge these days, whether at work, home, school or church, lots of people are seeking leadership roles and often for the wrong reasons and with the wrong attitude. In my study I have found some men of God quoting about people who wrongly chase after positions of authority.
Part of the wrong understanding in seeking positions of authority is shown in the following quotes.

One very common error misleads the opinion of mankind-that authority is pleasant whilst submission painful. In the general course of human affairs the very reverse of this is nearer the truth. Command is anxiety; obedience is ease. –W.Paley I805;

To become a Christ-like leader we must be willing to become servants to others. The point is how can we achieve the kind of humility that would bring us God\'s grace while avoiding the anxiety connected to holding authority? Being a leader requires one to be humble and submissive; following the exampleship of our Lord Jesus Christ prevents any anxiety in positions of authority.
Submission doesn’t mean dominance or control; it doesn’t mean giving up your free will or liberty.

Strong\'s Greek Dictionary defines submission: to subordinate; reflexively, to obey: be under obedience (obedient), put under, subdue unto, submit self unto (hupotasso).


The Bible clearly teaches that we are obligated to submit to:

1. God (Rom. 6:13) [And if we obey God, we must disobey ourselves, wherein the hardness of obeying God consists. --Herman Melville]
2. One Another (Eph. 5:21)
3. Earthly Authorities (1 Pet. 2:18-21)
4. Masters (Eph. 6:5-9; Col. 3:22-4:1)
5. Parents (Eph. 6:1-4; Col. 3:20, 21)
6. Husbands (Eph. 5:22, 23; Col. 3:18, 19; 1 Pet. 3:1-7)

Note that it will be impossible to submit properly to kings, masters, parents or husbands unless we learn first to submit to God and second to submit to one another.
If there is neither Jew nor Greek, bond nor free, male nor female in Christ (Gal. 3:28), then what subordination is called for among Christians whom Paul says are his equal?
Paul and Peter address this seeming contradiction in such passages as already suggested, namely wives submit to husbands; slaves submit to masters; children obey parents; citizens to governments; etc. But none of these relationships will work effectively for the cause of Christ unless we are willing to submit to one another in the Lord.

It is this willingness to submit to one another in the Lord, which causes Christians to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace (Eph. 4:3).

Mutual submission

Eph. 5:21 - submitting to one another in the fear of God. (NKJV) or be subject to one another out of reverence for Christ. (RSV) Mutual submission will begin to take place when each Christian learns how to consider others better than self. This way of living will call for a large dose of Christ-like love and humility as we look out for the interests of others first (Phil. 2:3-4).

Whatever role we have been given provides us an opportunity to serve our brothers and sisters in Christ. It is when we accept our role as husband, wife, employer, employee, community leader, or citizen in light of Christ\'s teaching and example, with a reverence for Him and His heavenly Father that we will begin to serve one another. (Larry Richards, The Teacher\'s Commentary,

Joint responsibilities

Scripture (such as those passages mentioned earlier) indicates how God\'s plan for our interaction with one another demands a level playing field. Please look the mutual responsibilities shown in the following relationships:
1] Children are to obey their parents in the Lord, but parents are not to provoke their children.
2] The slave is to serve with no reservations, but the masters are to treat their slaves with consideration, concern, and total fairness.
3] Wives are indeed in subjection to their husbands but husbands are commanded to love their wives as Christ loves the church.

No matter which role we find ourselves in as Christians, we are to be guided by a deep abiding concern for others – this is agape.

Time to serve

Any Christian relationship that relies on authority and submission (like those already suggested).
Being submissive to those who have authority over us mustn’t be seen as humiliating but must be seen as a chance to serve one another. Eg: The master serves his slaves by treating them with fairness and respect, while the slave serves the master loyally.

Obviously, this isn’t the world\'s view of authority and submission. In the world authority is exalted and servitude is violated. Sadly, in the world a person\'s station in life determines their value.

Christ plainly rejects this worldly pattern in His church and among His people. No matter who and what role a persons plays in this life they are of great value to Him and the Body of Christ. Eg: The slave, the wife, the child, the citizen and the church member are as equally important to God as those in authority. The master, the husband, the parent, the king, and the elder under Christ\'s scheme for His Church

Final Thoughts

\"God resists the proud, But gives grace to the humble.\" (James 4:6)
This is the very lesson Jesus was always trying to teach the disciples while here on earth (John 13:1-10). He is our perfect example of leadership by living a life of service.

Some local councilors and MPS say at election times claim themselves to be \"servants of the public\". The police use the proud motto, \"To protect and serve,\" The education system and schools governors aim is education \"Is for the good of the children?\" Unfortunately, these portrayals, mottos, and aims is just \"ear candy\" and not always backed up with action.

Too many Christians have been giving and receiving a lot of ear candy. In the church preaching and practices have been compromising the truths from the Word of God. Its got to the point where people are confused, demoralized. And satans sit there mocking.
Christ expects more than words from His followers, he expects action - action from everyone on everyone else\'s behalf. If the Lord Himself is our servant-master, then we must prepare ourselves to be servant-leaders, servant-mothers, servant-children, servant-husbands, servant-employers, and servant-employees, and servants of Christ
In whatever position we find ourselves either in the church or in the world we must be prepared to lead through service.


Phil 2:1-4 (Phi) Now if you have known anything of Christ\'s encouragement and of his reassuring love; if you have known something of the fellowship of his Spirit, and of compassion and deep sympathy, do make my joy complete--live together in harmony, live together in love, as though you had only one mind and spirit between you. Never act from motives of rivalry or personal vanity, but in humility think more of each other than you do of yourselves. None of you should think only of his own affairs, but consider other people\'s interests also.
Phil 2:3-4 (TEB) Don\'t do anything from selfish ambition, or from a cheap desire to boast; but be humble towards each other, never thinking you are better than others. And look out for each other\'s interests, not just for your own.
Phil 2:5-8 (Phi) Let your attitude to life be that of Christ Jesus himself. For he, who had always been God by nature, did not cling to his privileges as God\'s equal, but stripped himself of every advantage by consenting to be a slave by nature and being born a man. And, plainly seen as a human being, he humbled himself by living a life of utter obedience, to the point of death, and the death he died was that of a common criminal. That is why God has lifted him to the heights, and has given him the name beyond all names.
How to get ahead in the Kingdom Of God
John 13:12-17 (NIV) When he [Jesus] had finished washing their feet, he put on his clothes and returned to his place. \"Do you understand what I have done for you?\" he asked them. \"You call me \'Teacher\' and \'Lord\' and rightly so, for that is what I am. Now that I, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also should wash one another\'s feet. I have set you an example that you should do as I have done for you. I tell you the truth, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him. Now that you know these things, you will be blessed if you do them.
Mat 20:27-28 (NEB) \"...whoever wants to be great must be your servant, and whoever wants to be first must be the willing slave of all--like the Son of Man; He did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give up his life as a ransom for many.\"
John 12:25-26 (NIV) \"The man who loves his life will lose it, while the man who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life. Whoever serves me must follow me; and where I am, my servant also will be. My Father will honor the one who serves me.\"
• . Richard Foster:Theologian quotes \"In some ways we would prefer to hear Jesus\' call to deny father and mother, houses and land for the sake of the gospel, than His Word to wash feet. Radical self-denial gives the feel of adventure. If we forsake all, we even have the chance at glorious martyrdom. But in service we must experience the many little deaths of going beyond ourselves. Service banishes us to the mundane, the ordinary, the trivial.

• \"In the Discipline of service there is also great liberty. Service allows us to say \'no!\' to the world\'s games of promotion and authority. It abolishes our need and desire for a \'pecking order\'


Gal 5:11 And I, brothers, if I yet proclaim circumcision, why am I still persecuted? Then the offense of the Cross has ceased.
Gal 5:12 I wish that those causing you to doubt will cut themselves off.
Gal 5:13 For, brothers, you were called to liberty. Only do not use the liberty for an opening to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
Gal 5:14 For all the Law is fulfilled in one word, even in this, \"You shall love your neighbor as yourself.\"
Gal 5:15 But if you bite and devour one another, take heed that you are not consumed by one another.
Gal 5:16 I say, then, Walk in the Spirit and you shall not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh. And these are contrary to one another; lest whatever you may will, these things you do.
Gal 5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are clearly revealed, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lustfulness,
Gal 5:20 idolatry, sorcery, hatreds, fightings, jealousies, angers, rivalries, divisions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 envyings, murders, drunkennesses, revelings, and things like these; of which I tell you before, as I also said before, that they who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is: love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 meekness, self-control; against such things there is no law.
Gal 5:24 But those belonging to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Gal 5:26 Let us not become glory-seeking, provoking one another, envying one another whoever he may be.

Do you feel free to wash your brethrens feet are you willing to submit to each other? Or does the world and satan have you chasing the dangling carrots before you like the donkey driver. Are you willing to go the extra mile, are you willing to be discipled by the Holy Spirit or submit to power of God’s Word or the teaching of men filled with the Holy Ghost who seek the Holiness and Righteousness of Christ every moment of there lives.
We can only be of service to God our Father if we Worship Him and love our neighbors as ourselves

A simple Bible study BRO. DAVE

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lengthy and meaty dave  From: June Ritchie 07 Oct 2011 (11:15)
have thought for many years that pride and ambition put disciples on the road to destruction more than any other sin. It was pride and ambition that made satan go to extremes to become the new leader only to fall from the light into darkness and a fear of judgement. they can quench every good feeling in us and make our voice a turbulent foghorn! These two things can turn good men into murderers and bad men into committing even worse crimes. they can be leaders who are so ambitious that they see their country\'s children starve in order to accumalate yet more wealth and Power. and all for nothingin the end. but they are there as a clear picture of what dangers lie in Pride and ambition. Wanting to be noticed is a scourge of the century even as it has always been. as a disciple I got taught about pride the hard way and learned to hate false flattery which ruins many good men Have also learned to sit in a corner until God wants me to be noticed or uplifted. a good lesson eh? June.

milk or meat  From: David Dawson 07 Oct 2011 (13:46)
yes dear sister, there so many Christians who are still on milk and running around in circles, many listening to Christian bands and dance groups and there hypnotic music ,
Initially, they do draw people to the Word of God, but sadly many are still enchanted by there charisma..
It looks apparent Church leaders are failing to disciple Christians, they think getting them saved and then give them the Alpha course \'job done\',
If one is gifted in music or song they will be elevated. Also many are chosen because of good education, finances, or oratory skills.

As you know discipleship, is like nursing a babe with milk then you bring them onto solid food which takes time. Right from the point of the infilling of the Holy Ghost the minister has to encourage there charges to seek out God\'s will and spiritual gifting in there live\'s [if not already evident]. By leading them into prayer 24/7; reading and memorizing the Word of God His promises and commands and putting it into practise. The biggest mistake ministry\'s fail is they forget to tell there Holy Ghost believers is that we are all called into ministry... This a frustration for those who are set free indeed, when they dont bring on disciples and let them go..to become a functional part of the Body of Christ. Jesus used a bunch of fishermen to heal the sick, bringing deliverance and most importantly the Gospel message. Many blessings

choosing the foolish  From: June Ritchie 08 Oct 2011 (09:15)
the thought comes to me david that part of the problem is STATUS! belonged to a church for a long time where the list of singers was a mile long and more vying to get in there but not a lot of real giftings about have you ever seen the frustrations that come from that kind of situation? Envy- hypocrisy- false flattery all a sad part of that. Soloists too oten are prima donnas doing it to be seen and not to just serve jesus. But joining a gospel choir you learn unity if its an evangelistic one you are out there facing lost sinners and sort of draw in close together none better than any other. I had a close friend and prayer partner whose health mentally was impaired by nervous breakdowns and shock treatment. She was one of the greatest evangelists I ever knew bar none she could fill her little car with new folks every weekend and the \\Pastor respected her greatly because of it. YET this was a woman of no status or standing in the church except as a regular. I watched her at work and joined her many times and was fascinated to see God work through her. The loss of her in my life was great but on her funeral the church was FULL! people who respected and loved her despite all. God truly chose the foolish to confound the wise I was proud to be her friend and stand at her funeral and will never forget that or her! she taught me about humility and love for the sinner.
Don\'t you think if we let Him God will reveal our status in the church? I have always sought to know His will and to do it but so many just are church sitters who never budge at all or move in any direction why can they not hear and be guided by His voice. It seems to me an easy thing. You know Seek and you shall find, Ask and it shall be given. Knock and the door will be opened,
Do you think a lot of it could just be WRong MOTIVE or MOTIVELESS? We have to stand up and be counted but I believe that is you let Him He shows us where and when and also that its never really where we would choose for ourselves. Perhaps the clue is in the position itself Jesus came as a nobody and became a somebody He had a job to do and he did it and the fact that God was with Him gave him status not the kind of status churches issue but a pure status born out of His loyalty and position in God He came as a servant and remained one unto His death and yet God rose him up above the highest in the land to be an extraordinary person respected and loved of many. Methinks there is a message in that ALONE. Plenty disciples wish to be come famous and well known but He let God do it for him as he did the work . A Saviour of integrity. WOW!
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knowing the Fathers heart  From: David Dawson 27 Oct 2011 (02:16)
sister june
your dear friend fulfilled her calling, and Father was well pleased, He just loves the saints who just get on with it no pomp no ceremony no status, just an obedient child of the living God.
I personally believe in the 5 fold ministry, sadly the influx of modern high flying, hyper spiritual?, executive style 5 fold ministers commanding papist media status, many churches, and members seek same like status, in others words \'platform ministry\'.
It seems many christians have been lulled into believing serving within the Body of Christ is based on platform ministry and everything else is of lesser importance 1 Cor 12v 12-27

There is an inclination churches have become opportunists and adopted TV media evangelists profiles and then taken advantage of many christians who have become mesmerised by the charismatic and controversial TV ministers.

Church pastors also chase after the 5 fold status, they see the high esteem and status of men who hold such positions, assuming it was a natural progression for them to follow. Galatians 3v3.[churchification]

At the end of the day many seem to think the \'grass is greener over the hill\' or there blessings will be better or more powerful than the empowerment and anointing God has already bestowed upon them..
The Word of God tells us we are all ministers and sadly church ministries are not encouraging and teaching beloved brothers and sisters how to apply there wonderful spiritual gifts,talents and ability\'s in the church or equip the saints to out out in the streets..[most probably the majority of ministers have not been discipled themselves
So getting back to your friend,she knew her Fathers heart



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hello dave  From: June Ritchie 28 Oct 2011 (10:55)
I can see her now so plainly and hear her voice too as she discussed her conversations with \'our Lord\' Betty had a tragic life and upbringing which scarred and wounded her terribly I watched her be tormented on and off for over twenty five years! she got saved at a Melvin Banks crusade and as a follow up servant we were connected up never to be separated till death!
Once she gained the Holy Ghost in her life there was no stopping her. I watched her kneel in the streets for one soul and got well taught in it!
she targeted all even little children and was well known for it round the council estates. I would call in on her and find her in the kitchen bible on the table weeping and praying for the \'estates\'! Her evangelism ministry grew from that until in an area well outside of Wigans locality she literally set a street on fire then roped me in to go and help with bible studies.
When I got there I couldnt believe it there were even witches among them getting filled with the Spirit and being delivered! it was a tough job and we fought it out together with no church in the area that could be called on.
she even organised a small hall to have them in for the meeting in the end. Houses just werent big enough to take it.
This was true street evangelism we tackled drunks and druggies together and I learnt slowly that I could do it too! we were so different in nature and yet all we had in unity was in the Saviour and our goal it was fixed we couldnt be shifted from it! God can take one mentally wounded person and turn them into a spiritual tornado who fights the devil. Her life became a triumph in God it\'s more important than the church body realises doncha think?
It\'s like If I die will I be missed and if so what for? Looking around I see so few of those now and my heart aches because of it. The platform ministry is overrated yes?! you can impact the world by being among it to speak the right words at the right time. Pew sitting is an epidemic of folks who spend their time criticising the minister and the \'team\' these days. I suppose it means if people look in the wrong direction they get their priorities wrong.
Serving is everything and being lifted up is nothing.
At 70 I want to be known for who I am in Christ its often a struggle health- wise but my heart reaches out still in every way I can, I thank God for giving me a book writing ministry He can bless and use. I\'m sure you do thank God too for helping you serve. Why do disciples need hobbies ? what does today\'s music have to do with true worship! I get such a blessing in my bed with songs in the night as David spoke of in scripture. when the BMF men come to pray in my home I love to hear them sing in unity without music. and loud voices raised in praise. all our neighbours know who we stand for some more than others.
I celebrate Christmas by getting special stuff together for families just as Betty and myself used to. when we were both very hard up we would hear a cry for help and put food etc together as a team from our own stores. I do thank God that He hasnt let me change from that the return is often awesome!AMEN
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its the little things that blesses God  From: David Dawson 30 Oct 2011 (08:27)
ive upset many a minister when i refer to 1 Corinthians and tell them the tea maker in a church is just as important to the Body of Christ than those in [supposedly] higher positions.
The classic example was the dear lady with her last bit of cash and she brought it before the Lord, we dont no her name we dont where she\'s from.. and she probably wouldn\'t want us to know that.. because of this her exampleship is set before us in the largest selling book in the world, read by the highest to the lowest from kings to the poorest.. oh! Lord let us all follow her exampleship..

1 Corin. 1 V5 Memories enrich us  From: June Ritchie 31 Oct 2011 (08:37)
As a State pensioner I\'ll never be rich but this verse is so incredibly true and agrees with what you just replied as well. yes a teamaker is important and have seen that when she is missing theres a gap that is missed!
The most precious Church feasts for me are the ones that everyone brings their own contribution. the response is so often amazing and a veritable feast.
Years ago we were invited to a special event which included a feast in the Garstang area where there are lots of farming folks. We took our Pastor with us.
He was absolutely astonished, (so were we!) the farmer\'s wives had put together a feast fit for a BRIDE! We talked of it for a week and our Pastor told the congregation he had been taken to a wedding feast fit for the heavens.
Just service but what lovely service. An Evangelical church in our own area had invited us as pensioners to a free church lunch only a few short weeks ago. so we went. We had a lovely welcome at the door and were given a great two course meal. It transpired that just one pensioner age couple makes the meal as a regular outreach. After all was finished the kitchen was inundated with volunteers. WHY? Because the usual washer up was away ill!
I can remember that our church in the 70s /80s had a \'poor fund\' kept and given out by the minister. As out of work people we then had reason to be grateful for the existence of that! Over the years we saw folks go up and slip notes into his hand and say it was for that. It never ran out, (If it ran low he said so ) nor disappeared but helped people like us live in crisis thanking God for the church. Years later we too had the blessing of being able to put some of that back into the fund and felt rich doing it! I feel every church should have one! Truly a generous soul is enriched by their willingness to give.
To withold one\'s hand in this dark world is a shaming thing since we will face the Saviour on our giving. Do we get praise or rebuke? My pension is wealth because I feel able to share it with others. I am so enriched by the blessing of doing it whether food or money.. Once a month I give a free supper to a houseful of BMF men and feel rich every time I see them enjoy it.
Life for pensioners can be good and without fear if we believe in God\'s return for generosity and hospitality. Roll on the heavenly feast.! June
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Many thanks david!  From: June Ritchie 24 Feb 2012 (09:57)
Iwas so blessed today to find you put this back on! I read it all over again from beginning to end and saw once again how important it is to be a blessing and minister to others about you. Remembering former things can do us so much good can\'t it! Because God can put so many lessons into our day as we serve.
This morning MY JIM was woke up early by the phone it was an African brother requesting help re tools for a job! As a retired man Jim likes to get up in his own orderly fashion so this was a shock lesson but still he got the message from God to arise and take care of it so he did. We had lovely fellowship with the young man and dealt with the needs he had. Because we helped him he went away to help someone else. So the feet washing went on?
What is ministry? you put all this word on here to do others good by giving them good food. If there has to be a motive then let it be a good one and not one born out of pride etc. I love to bless by giving out good food and Iknow you do too. Because of that I call you friend and brother. washing someone\'s feet is a responsibility and needs a testing of the water you use to do it?
Thanks for refreshing my soul this morning both you and our early bird friend who now may become a new friend on Task Jesus! bless you dave. June

Listening to God...Submitting  From: pauline Tait 10 Mar 2012 (09:07)
Really interesting Dave....I don\'t regret being a submissive wife...I still beleive it\'s the right way so to speak and we can\'t move in authority of we are not nder authority can we